Open Mouth, Insert Entire Leg (UPDATED)

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, keeps talking about stuff he knows nothing about, and the result is, well, you know…embarrassing. According to the BBC:

Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4’s World at One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.

Neither do most criminals, but they have to face the music sometimes.

Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.

Actually, it would result in splitting British society apart. Imagine the resentment it would cause among all other Britons if Muslims didn’t have to answer to British law. Imagine the problems it would create just in the Muslim community if some objected to being subject to a non-British legal system against their will.

For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.

And those who consider the sharia law on marriage barbaric would just be stuck, or would they have to face the wrath of the Islamists by rejecting the system’s hold over them?

He says Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.

If he had said “religious loyalty,” he might have had the beginnings of a point. But “cultural loyalty”? That’s inane. Just the fact that you emigrate from one country to another is a declaration that you either 1) prefer to live under a different system than the one from which you have come, or 2) that it is your intention to subvert the one into which you are moving. Let’s face it: you can’t move from Karachi to Mogadishu and reasonably expect to live exactly the same way in London or Minneapolis, just richer. For that matter, why would you?

In an exclusive interview with BBC correspondent Christopher Landau, ahead of a lecture to lawyers in London later on Monday, Dr Williams argues this relies on Sharia law being better understood. At the moment, he says “sensational reporting of opinion polls” clouds the issue.

No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if sharia is the greatest thing since chocolate chocolate chip ice cream. It’s not possible to run multiple legal systems as normative for different communities in one polity. That’s not to say that religious communities can’t regulate themselves to some extent–for instance, divorce is legal in the UK, but not allowed by Roman Catholicism. That means that if one contemplates divorce, one has to choose between one’s religious commitment and one’s legal privilege. What Williams is suggesting (if he actually has any idea what sharia law is) is an alternate form of civil and criminal law, not religious. Sharia governs all of life, and it does so without admitting the validity of any other type of law, which is why it has become the civil and criminal law of Pakistan, for instance. Muslims who want to impose sharia will not be any happier with having only parts of it applied to their community–they won’t be happy until the whole of it (for instance, cutting off the hands of thieves) is applied, and to the whole country, not just themselves.

He stresses that “nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that’s sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well”.

But Dr Williams says the argument that “there’s one law for everybody… I think that’s a bit of a danger”.

It’s actually the basis of a coherent society, but who needs that? As for not wanting “the kind of inhumanity” that you see, who is Williams to tell Muslims what form of sharia they can have? Not very multicultural there, Archbishop.

“We don’t either want a situation where, because there’s no way of legally monitoring what communities do… people do what they like in private in such a way that that becomes another way of intensifying oppression inside a community.”

So he wants them to have sharia, but it should be British sharia–polite, well-mannered, respectful of everyone’s rights, with court sessions no doubt adjourning for afternoon tea. To say Williams isn’t a political scientist is like saying I’m not a digestive biscuit–so obvious that it doesn’t need to be said. But if he doesn’t understand the first thing about basic political or legal theory, why does he keep opining on it?

There’s an old saying that it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. Rowan Williams really needs to meditate on that this Lent.

UPDATE: In the comments, Christopher Johnson of MCJ left the URL for the entire interview upon which this article is based. (Thanks, Chris.) I don’t have time to look at it now, but I’ll try to get back to it later. In the meantime, take a look at Chris’ treatment. He does his usual excellent job of smiting the ignorant. He also has links to a variety of responses in the British press, which may be summed up as, “Have you lost your mind?”

15 Responses to “Open Mouth, Insert Entire Leg (UPDATED)”

  1. Toby Brown Says:

    Astonishing. Really.

    This is one of their ‘finest minds’??

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  3. Pastor Glenn Says:

    Rowan and Martin used to be on Laugh In back in the 1960s. They made more sense than this poor, misguided bishop. His idea on Sharia would undo the Magna Carta, and single handedly bring the UK legal system down.

  4. GarryC Says:

    Hello David.
    Ironically I just emailed you a link to this story. I see you are way out in front of me on this one. All I can say is that I was open mouthed and stammering while I was reading. Oh, Britian where is thou dimming light!

  5. Chris Larimer Says:

    Dr. Williams should pay a quick visit to the National Portrait Gallery, first floor.

  6. Chip Byers Says:

    Chris hit the nail on the head. When HM Victoria was Queen, Great Britain was just that, GREAT!! She was a wonderful Christian Woman (as is HM Elizabeth II, by the way). The difference is that the other “leaders” are not necessarily that devout. (How’s that for an understatement!!). Former Prime Minister Tony Blair admited that he never mentioned his faith for fear of being thought strange.

    May God Have Mercy.

    O LORD our heavenly Father, high and mighty, King of
    kings, Lord of lords, the only Ruler of princes, who
    dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers upon earth;
    Most heartily we beseech thee with thy favour to behold our
    most gracious Sovereign Lady, the Queen; and so replenish
    her with the grace of thy Holy Spirit, that she may always
    incline to thy will, and walk in thy way: Endue her plenteously
    with heavenly gifts; grant her in health and prosperity
    long to live; strengthen her that she may vanquish and
    overcome all her enemies; and finally, after this life, she
    may attain everlasting joy and felicity, through Jesus Christ
    our Lord. Amen.

  7. Christopher Johnson Says:

    Here’s the whole interview:

    http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1573

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  11. anglicanprayer Says:

    BTW, Archbishop Ben Kwashi of Jos, Nigeria has responded. It’s must reading, found here.

  12. David Fischler Says:

    I’ve edited your comment to make it a link. Thanks for the heads up.

  13. Rev. John Erthein Says:

    This is evidence of a creeping “D’himmi” mentality among many well-meaning but weak-willed church figures.

  14. Kate Says:

    I wonder what will happen when HRH Charles finally takes the throne… shudder.

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