Church of England to Traditionalists: Drop Dead (UPDATED)

The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches in the United Kingdom are about to get a good bit bigger. No one knows exactly how much bigger, but there’s no question that the Church of England has done them a favor by telling its traditional Anglo-Catholics, “go ahead, leave–see if we care!” According to the London Telegraph:

The Church of England looked set for a damaging split last night after its ruling body agreed to press ahead with the introduction of women bishops without any compromise measures for opponents of the controversial move.

After six hour of emotional debate, one bishop broke down in tears saying he was ashamed of the church for ignoring the deeply felt wishes of traditionalists.

The Rt Rev Stephen Venner, the Suffragan Bishop of Dover, was comforted by other church leaders on the floor of the General Synod in York as its 468 members took a major step towards women becoming bishops, with just an unwritten statutory code of practice to cater for those who firmly believe the Bible teaches that bishops must be male, as Jesus and his apostles were.

Bishop Venner, said: “I have to say that for the first time in my life I am ashamed.

“We have talked for hours about wanting to give an honourable place for those who want to disagree and we have turned down almost every realistic opportunity for those who are opposed to flourish.”

Hundreds of traditionalists, including several bishops, may leave the church after an epic four-hour debate ended with proposals to create new “men only” dioceses or “super bishops” narrowly thrown out by members of the General Synod in York.

Back in 1992, liberals in the CofE promised traditionalists that those who objected to women priests would have their convictions respected. Many didn’t believe the assurances, or couldn’t countenance the break with Catholic tradition, and so converted to Rome or Constantinople. This time, I expect the losses will be significantly bigger, given that there is virtually no trust any more between liberals and traditionalists. In any case, this is just one more road marker on the way to the dissolution of the Anglican Communion.

UPDATE: Well, that didn’t take long:

The Bishop of Ebbsfleet, the Rt Rev Andrew Burnham, is to lead his fellow Anglo-Catholics from the Church of England into the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic Herald will reveal this week.

Bishop Burnham, one of two “flying bishops” in the province of Canterbury, has made a statement asking Pope Benedict XVI and the English Catholic bishops for “magnanimous gestures” that will allow traditionalists to become Catholics en masse.

Bishop Burnham hopes that Rome will offer special arrangements whereby former Anglicans can stay worshipping in parishes under the guidance of a Catholic bishop. Most of these parishes already use the Roman liturgy, but there may be provision for Anglican prayers if churches request it.

Anglican priests who are already married will not be barred from ordination as priests, though Bishop Burnham would not be able to continue in episcopal orders, as he is married and there is an absolute bar on married bishops in the Roman and Orthodox Churches.

12 Responses to “Church of England to Traditionalists: Drop Dead (UPDATED)”

  1. Toby Brown Says:

    What’s worse: Women bishops or praying to Mary?

    I guess they just decided.

  2. David Fischler Says:

    Actually, Toby, they decided a long time ago. Keep in mind, these are Anglo-Catholics. Prayer to Mary has probably been part of their devotional life all along. The biggest problem that Anglo-Catholics have typically had has not been the peculiarities of Catholic doctrine so much as the primacy of the pope.

  3. Chip Byers Says:

    Toby and Dr. Fischler,

    Actually, prayer to Mary (and other saints to a lesser extent) is not limited just to Anglo Catholics. I know of Lutherans, Methodists and PRESBYTERIANS who say the Rosary on a fairly regular basis. (Not to mention many Non-AngloCatholic Anglicans!!)

  4. Rev. John Erthein Says:

    Traditionalist Anglicans deserve no respect because they are cockadoodie, schismatic, misogynist wee-wee heads.

  5. David Fischler Says:

    Says you!

  6. Rev. John Erthein Says:

    (hopefully you recognize I was speaking ironically)

  7. David Fischler Says:

    Says you! :-)

  8. ZZMike Says:

    What a delightful dilemma! He must leave his God-forsaken Church because it wants to make women bishops. He must go to a Real Church that won’t stand for such nonsense. Unfortunately, he’s married, and the Church he wants to go to won’t stand for such nonsense.

  9. Dr.D Says:

    Pardon me, Rev. Erthein, but just how does one distinguish what you said from plain ole’ fashion name calling? That is certainly what it looked liked to me when I read it, but then I obviously overlooked the irony flags somewhere.

  10. John Erthein Says:

    Dr. D,

    I guess it depends on how well people know me. I actually respect the traditionalists in the Anglican Communion. But I was channelling a typical progressive reaction.

  11. CatholicVisitor Says:

    ZZMike:

    Actually, the Rev. Burnham, the Catholic leaning Anglican who is thinking about coming into Full Communion with Rome may in fact be ordained as a Catholic Priest under what is called “Pastoral Provision”. In the 1970’s, when the Episcopal church in the U.S. and other Anglican provinces (Canada, Australia) began the move towards ordaining women, with Cantebury’s approval, many Anglican whos theology was rooted in the Oxford Movement of the 19th century (which has as its goal the full corporate reunion of Rome and Cantebury), asked the Pope for help. In 1980, Pope John Paul II created teh pastoral provision which would give a dispensation regarding the discipline of celibacy (it is not a Doctrine of the Catholic Church) and allow former Anglican clergy who are married to be ordained as Catholic priests. Since that time over 100 former Anglicans have been ordained in the United States alone, most of them as married Catholic priest. In fact, their is an Anglican Use Conference, which is being held from 7/10 to 7/12, which is a conference addressing the pastoral Provision and one where each year, Anglican clergy seeking to potentially come into the Catholic Church meet. In fact, their are 6 Catholic parishes that use the Anglican musical and Liturgical tradition, modified to comply with Catholic Doctrine and Liturgical practice in the U.S.

    Starting in 1992 when the church of England also started ordaining women and shortly thereafter, some 750 Anglican clergy came into Full Communion with Rome, 450 of them were ordained as Catholic priests, and some 150 of those were married. Among this group included the Anglican Bishop of London, Graham Leonard, who was married so while not being ordained as a Catholic Bishop, he was ordained and made Monsignor.

    As for the praying to Mary, well Catholics believe in the Communion of Saints, which is in the Apostles Creed (Church of Rome baptismal Creed of the early 3rd century) which is nothing other than the communion of all the Baptized. THus, the saints in heaven pray for us and pray with us. For the record, the Eastern Orthodox also share the same understanding of the communion of Saints as the Catholic Church does.

    Regards and hope this clears up some misunderstandings

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