The Spectator of Britain has a terrific article by Melanie Phillips about a recent debate between the “arch-apostle of atheism,” Richard Dawkins, and Christian mathematician John Lennox of Oxford. They’ve debated before, but this one began with a surprsing admission from Dawkins:
This week’s debate, however, was different because from the off Dawkins moved it onto safer territory– and at the very beginning made a most startling admission. He said:
“A serious case could be made for a deistic God.”
This is an astounding admission. In essence. he grants that a “serious case could be made” for Intelligent Design, the advocates of which have been the subject of his unceasing vitriol for several years. Though it is almost always distorted by its opponents, ID is not meant as an argument for Christianity, or for a “young Earth” reading of scientific evidence meant to defend a literal version of Genesis. Advocates of ID are simply contending that the design of the universe points to an intelligence of some kind that would have worked with a purpose in mind. Dawkins has apparently finally recognized that such an argument is not ridiculous, and indeed should be taken seriously by scientists, even though he does not for a minute agree with it. Phillips goes on:
Afterwards, I asked Dawkins whether he had indeed changed his position and become more open to ideas which lay outside the scientific paradigm. He vehemently denied this and expressed horror that he might have given this impression. But he also said other things which suggested to me that some of his own views simply don’t meet the criteria of empirical evidence that he insists must govern all our thinking.
For example, I put to him that, since he is prepared to believe that the origin of all matter was an entirely spontaneous event, he therefore believes that something can be created out of nothing — and that since such a belief runs counter to the very scientific principles of verifiable evidence which he tells us should govern all our thinking, this is itself precisely the kind of irrationality, or ‘magic’, which he scorns. In reply he said that, although he agreed this was a problematic position, he did indeed believe that the first particle arose spontaneously from nothing, because the alternative explanation – God — was more incredible.
That’s one man’s opinion, of course, and he’s welcome to it. But to believe in the spontaneous origin of matter is as much a matter of faith as is belief in God. Why exactly the latter proposition is “more incredible” than the former is something I’d like to hear, though Phillips doesn’t say.
Even more jaw-droppingly, Dawkins told me that, rather than believing in God, he was more receptive to the theory that life on earth had indeed been created by a governing intelligence – but one which had resided on another planet. Leave aside the question of where that extra-terrestrial intelligence had itself come from, is it not remarkable that the arch-apostle of reason finds the concept of God more unlikely as an explanation of the universe than the existence and plenipotentiary power of extra-terrestrial little green men?
It has been contended in some places that Dawkins never actually said that he could buy the idea of ET seeding Earth with life. So much for that line of defense against exuberant irrationality.
Read it all.
(Via Stand Firm.)
October 25, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Dawkins’s willingness to acknowledge the possibility of a ‘governing intelligence’ as long as we don’t call it ‘God’ is just another version of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos – capital C. The objection to God is not based upon empiricism or even rationalism, because if it was, Dawkins and Sagan would have to prohibit themselves from embracing oscillation theory (which is unproven), extraterrestial intelligence (which is unproven), or a ‘governing intelligence’ that’s impersonal (which is unproven and arguably irrational). Their willingness to embrace just about anything, even if it fails their own litmus tests for truth, tell us that their problem with God is not intellectual, but emotional. They don’t like the concept of God as an emotional question. The intellect has nothing to do with it. Now, having emotional objections to God is something I can respect even though I disagree (though their own criteria for truth make such objections invalid). What can’t be respected is their insistence that their objections to God are at root intellectual in nature. Their own inconsistencies make this patently false. It’s pride, hubris, delusion and desperation all rolled into one.
At its core, unbelief is not an intellectual problem requiring better evidence. It’s a moral problem that requires heartfelt repentance.
October 28, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Thank you for this opportunity to comment.
The whole notion is a tempest in a teapot, at least with respect to scientific principles.
The idea of God as an intelligent designer has no place in the field of science. All topics of scientific inquiry lie entirely within the realm of the physical universe. Science is unable to address any thing, event or property that does not reside entirely with the natural world. Nothing of God, his presence or his actions can be the topic of successful scientific enquiry. Period. To assume otherwise is to diminish God, as though some part of the almighty might be captured within an equation or a theorm or at the end of a series of empircal experiments. Evidence of the Lord is not a testable hypothesis. The continued attempt to use scientific methods to “prove” God belittles both science and God.
Ras. Jones
October 28, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Rastus: I agree whole-heartedly, though I should point out that most intelligent design theorists avoid using the word “God,” because they would agree with you as well. I hear what your saying as being that, because of science’s inherent limitations, it has no ability to investigate possible non-physical or non-material causes for events or properties within the physical universe. Is that a correct reading of your comment? Because if it is, I again would agree with you whole-heartedly. My problem is not with scientists suggesting that they aren’t competent to “investigate God.” It’s with scientists such as Richard Dawkins who believe science has disproved what, as you stat, science can neither prove nor disprove.