I just finished a lengthy post on the report of the PCUSA’s report on the recent unpleasantness between it and the Evangelical Presbyterian Church. It was a brilliant post that I worked on for three days and that WordPress then proceeded to lose. I have neither the time nor the inclination to re-write it, so let’s just go with this.
The heart of the “indictment” of the EPC is the charge of “interference.” Throughout the report there is the notion that the EPC, by receiving dissident PCUSA congregations that asked to transfer in, was interfering in an internal PCUSA matter. In the conclusion, the authors put it this way:
The task group would submit that the presenting cause for this struggle originates in an internal conflict within the PC(USA). On one side are ministers and members of the PC(USA) who believe that they cannot in good conscience stay within this denomination. On the other side are ministers and members of the PC(USA) who believe that unity of Christ’s body, made clear through the Constitution that binds us all together in a covenantal community, should be honored and preserved….
The Evangelical Presbyterian Church, in receiving congregations and ministers who were dissatisfied with the PC(USA), has now inserted itself into our own internal struggle. The creation of a transitional presbytery as a mechanism for receiving congregations is seen by the EPC as a means to prevent a large influx of PC(USA) congregations from changing the EPC’s culture. However, it has been seen by some in the PC(USA) as inappropriate interference in our internal conflict and a clear breach of ecumenical protocol.
Now, keep in mind that the authors admit, even if grudgingly, that there is no evidence that the EPC ever initiated contact with any congregation or pastor. We didn’t urge anyone to leave PCUSA; instead, we provided information about our denomination and its governance, theology, and mission to those who approached us and asked. We did not insert ourselves into anything; instead, we offered assistance to those who sought it because of problems they had with their own denomination. What’s more, the lack of any kind of specific process for dismissing a congregation from PCUSA means that every congregation that wanted to leave has been dealt with on an ad hoc basis, some with great grace and understanding, some with maliciousness and a scorched earth policy. I’ll come back to the transitional presbytery in a moment, but first I’ve got to note this, from the “history” section:
Dismissing congregations to a nongeographic, transitional presbytery of the EPC presented problems for the PC(USA) presbyteries, since PC(USA) polity does not allow dismissing a congregation to independence, nor to a nongeographic presbytery (see VI.3.d below).
A perusal of the PCUSA Book of Order will not reveal any prohibition on dismissing a church to a non-geographic presbytery, and in fact there is at least one non-geographic presbytery (Eastern Korean) in the PCUSA itself. As far as it goes, the New Wineskins Transitional Presbytery could even be called geographic, in the sense that it covers the continental United States–PCUSA’s Atlantic Korean-American Presbytery is the same kind of thing, in that it covers a geographical region that is covered by other, smaller presbyteries in the Mid-Atlantic Synod.
This polity claim comes across as strictly a matter of convenience, since it throws up a roadblock to congregations seeking dismissal, and might have for some reason discouraged some who wanted to leave. But here’s the real point, and I make this based on this, under “Ecumenical Etiquette”:
The task group observed that normal ecumenical etiquette that dictates courtesies and behaviors between communions was not followed in the following ways. In addition to such violations of ecumenical courtesy that were observed “on the ground,” already noted above in IV.2.l. and IV.3.a., there was no conversation between the EPC and the PC(USA), by stated clerks or at the level of national leadership, around the creation of the “New Wineskins Transitional Presbytery.”
Talk about “interference in internal affairs”! Why exactly did the EPC have any obligation to talk to PCUSA leadership about the creation of the NWTP? Deciding how we were going to bring in a large number of congregations without it changing our denominational culture was our business, not Louisville’s. We didn’t go looking for those churches, they came to us, and when they did, it presented us with a problem. The NWTP was the way we chose to deal with it. For all the screeching about “interference in internal affairs,” it looks like Louisville thinks that it should get some kind of veto power into the way another WARC denomination orders its work. To which I say, when PCUSA lets us straighten out its theological problems (including enforcing discipline on clergy who wantonly flout the theological and ethical standards embodied in the Book of Order), we’ll let it have a hand in our polity.
April 26, 2010 at 11:38 am
It’s pretty rich for us protestants to try to argue that the “unity of Christ’s body” has anything to do with denominational affiliation.
April 26, 2010 at 11:45 am
I think the tenor of the PCUSA’s report is fairly clear. They were unable to offer proof that the EPC is actively initiating contact with disaffected congregations to ‘raid’ them from the PCUSA. So now, they’ve opted to paint the EPC as something of an illegitimate lover that is ‘interfering’ in a difficult marital crisis by offering itself up as an attractive option, thereby greasing the skids for the unfaithful marital party (the congregation) to cheat (on the PCUSA). The entire report is predictably slanted to make the crooked paths straight and the straight paths crooked.
There is no acknowledgement that the PCUSA’s infidelity to Scriptural standards and even to its own Book of Order standards is what drove these congregations out.
There is no acknowledgement that the departing congregations had any legitimate reasons to leave.
There is no acknowledgement that it’s been the PCUSA, not the EPC, that has tried to establish a warchest for taking its own churches to court.
There is no acknowledgement that the leadership of WARC to which it is appealing for a fair ruling is dominated by PCUSAers, which, to most everyone else, might resemble yet another stacking of the deck.
And most perverse of all, there is no acknowledgement that the PCUSA has anything to ‘confess’ in the midst of all this mess, and that instead, it is the EPC who must submit to ‘confession’. This is an utterly sinful attitude, period.
The EPC has done nothing wrong. The EPC didn’t precipitate this situation, and is doing nothing to contribute to it. The PCUSA can act like a jilted lover all it wants. The fact is, they filed for divorce many times over each time they chose themselves over Scripture when it came to wobbling on basic tenets of the Christian faith. The EPC doesn’t have this problem, and that means it shouldn’t submit to Baal.
April 26, 2010 at 5:02 pm
You know, EPC and ACNA (Anglican Church in North America)have more in common with each other than we do with our former denominations.
April 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Exactly right, Jason. And I agree completely, Kate.
April 27, 2010 at 8:14 am
My initial reaction, gut reaction, when I read this report, “What a bunch of whiny and jealous brats! ” (of the PCUSA of course)
April 27, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Kate I sadly agree. Both the EPC and ACNA are going to be increasingly forced to deal with Women’s Ordination. In the EPC they have basically agreed to “punt” in that, if a church wants a woman, and their presbytery says NO!, then they can Presbytery Shop.
In ACNA, the “issue” is “laying low” for now but there are “rustlings” on both sides that may soon cause a major “blow up.” (i.e. some folks may push for a woman bishop and others are becoming less “willing” to accept women pretending to be priests.)
One major difference, in the ACNA there is no qualms about actively trying to convince churches, dioceses and people to “switch.”
April 27, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Chip, you are quite wrong. The WO issue has been dealt with – if it hadn’t been, ACNA would never have got off the ground, and the Reformed Episcopal Church certainly wouldn’t have joined. Each component diocese is able to follow its collective conscience on the matter, and we have agreed not to have women bishops. (Incidently, if you want to have a good conversation on the issue, using phrases like “women pretending to be priests”, which are designed to rouse anger, really isn’t the way to go.)
Your last paragraph is completely incorrect, at least with regards to the Canadian experience. ANiC has gone nowhere uninvited.
April 27, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Kate,
Let me point out that it is EXACTLY in the REC that the “rustlings” have been increasing. It was a pretty extensive discussion at our last diocesan meeting and our bishop gets grilled on it regularly. I also know that on the other “side” that some of the “priests” in Pittsburgh have been pushing the Women Bishop thing.
The “issue” will come to a head when the 5 year term of Archbishop Duncan is up. When the next primate is elected one of two things will happen, 1) A bishop who does not “ordain” women will be elected, then any “women priests” will not be able to be recognized by him as being “under his authority.” Or conversely, the women will not recognize his authority as Archbishop since he does not recognize their “ordination.” or 2) A man who does believe in WO will be elected, but without the personal respect many have for Archbishop Duncan (i.e. people being willing to overlook his one flaw), many “traditionalists” will not remain in ACNA. Either way, the only reason that WO is “on the back burner” (for now!) in ACNA is the personal respect people feel for Duncan. Let’s face it, if ++Duncan had not been “in play” at the beginning of ACNA, then ACNA probably would not have come out in favor of WO. It is hard to imagine that a Church made up of the former TEC Dioceses of Ft. Worth (no WO), San Joaquin (NO WO), Quincy (NO WO), CANA (mostly no WO), the REC (NO WO!!), AMiA (NO WO IN THE US), would have “sacrificed” to get the few Pro-WO folks not in Pittsburgh to join.
As to “recruitment”, maybe not in Canada (or the AMiA) but trust me, both CANA and several of the “African affiliates” are very active in “recruiting.” (As is the REC in minor ways, but we mainly “poach” other non-TEC Anglican churches-GRIN).
BTW, my phrase “women pretending to be priests” is not meant to “rouse anger” but it is the only way I can put it. Since “women priest” is something that is against the REC, I would get in trouble (and several have) for writing “female priest” without some sort of “modifier.” Maybe I should say “women who have been recognized as priests by dioceses who have gone down that road??”
April 27, 2010 at 6:53 pm
To get the discussion back in focus, remember that women’s ordination is NOT the issue with the members and congregations leaving the PCUSA, and in the EPC, it is a non-essential.
There are much bigger issues which we have been dealing with, issues, which Jason so succinctly pointed out, that the PCUSA is being oblivious to.
April 27, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Good grief, why are you borrowing trouble, Chip? Why not just be thankful that we have a biblically faithful place to worship? The REC did quite well before it joined ACNA, and if as a body, it decides it has to leave ACNA on an issue of conscience such as WO, I’m sure it will survive the leaving.
You can talk about WO without peppering your speach with phrases like “women pretending to be priests”. That phrase assumes bad faith on the part of women presbyters, and is exceedingly inflamatory.
I’m going to stop hijacking this thread now, except to say that I am very grateful for the existence of ACNA and ANiC, even though they are not perfect.
April 27, 2010 at 11:55 pm
David,
I do not speak for my current denomination, but I am sorry…. so sorry… for the smallness of mind, miserlyness of grace, and lack of genuineness in love we have exhibited. It is embarrassing. Please be in prayer for us.
grace & peace,
dm
April 28, 2010 at 11:48 am
Exactly right, Barb. And thanks, Dave, we will be in prayer for PCUSA.
April 30, 2010 at 12:26 pm
You can read the full response of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC) regarding the PCUSA report at http://www.epc.org/about-the-epc/press-releases/.
In short, the EPC is grateful the task force report from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) (PCUSA) has determined that an accusation made by its Presbytery of Peace River against the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC) regarding the alleged solicitations of congregations is unsubstantiated.
In 2008, the Presbytery of Peace River, a presbytery of the PCUSA, made an overture accusing the EPC, a Protestant Reformed denomination, of “actively pursuing a strategy to persuade Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) churches disaffiliate with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) and be dismissed to the Evangelical Presbyterian Church.”
The PCUSA Committee on Ecumenical Relations formed a task force to investigate the accusation. The task force made its report public on Thursday, April 22. The leadership of the EPC is grateful that the task force confirmed that there was no evidence to substantiate the accusations of Peace River Presbytery. The EPC also appreciated the report’s call for a better relationship and improved communication between the two Presbyterian denominations.
However, the EPC did have concerns about other findings of the task force’s report. For example, the report states “other leaders from within the EPC were also willing to speak to PCUSA congregations, when a session had invited them in, often showing the PCUSA in a less than flattering light.” The task force had the opportunity to present this finding to EPC leadership in a meeting on January 15, but chose not to. The task force has also provided no supporting evidence for this assertion.
Even though the task force report has been made public, the PCUSA General Assembly has not yet met to review, vote on, or act on the assessments or recommendations of the report. The EPC has decided it would be inappropriate to make any further responses to the report until it has been reviewed, amended (if necessary), and approved by the PCUSA General Assembly, which won’t meet until July.
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